I would like to introduce a new mantra into the writing world: Own the risk. Own the rejection.
I'm afraid I feel a rant coming on, and it's not even one I haven't indulged before in a variety of forms. However, I think some of this really bears repeating.
I'm going to use prologues for this example, but I could just as easily have picked said-bookisms, head-hopping, big opening battle scenes (sorry, SB, not picking on you and Michael), dream openings, flashbacks, etc.
So we as aspiring writers go to a writing forum and post a message entitled something like this: What's so bad about prologues? First of all, let's note that the language here indicates we are not unaware that agents and editors and a good number of our fellow writers have indicated in blogs and interviews and at conferences that prologues will usually get us rejected. But but but we want to put a prologue in our novels.
So we post this plea for validation on a writing forum and this is what happens (more or less). A dozen or so people will respond and maybe debate a little. Two of these people will point us in the direction of two or three agent blogs or interviews wherein the agent lists backstory prologues (*cough*allofthem*cough*) as one of their top 3/5/10 reasons for rejection. They are assuming we don't already know it will add significantly to the rejection risk. Eight of these people will get out their pom-poms and their South Park Michael Jackson voices (Blanket, let's play. Not playing is bad. That's ignorant. Yay, let's play.) and commence to validate our decision based on the fact that they like prologues and agents are mean and ignorant and they also have prologues in their books. And they also have prologues in their books. Mutual validation, anyone? Then two people will actually explain that there's nothing wrong with prologues in theory but they are a problem when the writer does [insert pitfalls] and very few people actually do them well because they are very difficult but we can pull it off if we are careful to [insert technique for overcoming the clearly stated drawbacks]. Notice I used the 'insert-an-explanation' format here, because this also applies to the other types of pitfalls I listed earlier.
But back to my point...
Risk
When we knowingly break a writing rule, guideline, expectation it boils down to taking a risk. The cheer squad might want to paint the practice as some sort of exercise in integrity (cue "Wind Beneath My Wings") driven by our muse/heart/divine writing guide aimed at the dark and evil heart of the Ebil Heartless Agent Gatekeeper, but it comes down to playing the odds. How many Don'ts can we fit in this novel before it's a rejection by the middle of page 2? How many can we have and still make it to a partial request? How many can we have and make it to a full? How many can we have and still... I said it before in another post. We rolls the dice, we takes our chances. If we do it, we have to own it. Validation be damned.
Rejection
If the dice come up snake eyes, it's not the agent's fault or the editor's fault. We knew the rules of the game before we rolled the dice, and we even knew the dice were weighted against us - by the small odds of getting published in the first place, but also because we might have loaded the dice ourselves by doing several of the things agents, editors, and writers (the ones who can actually fill in the blanks in that explanation template) warned us not to do. We cannot now cry about losing the game. Well, we can, and plenty of people do. See bitter whining and railing against traditional publishing, found on any writing forum. But it's a pretty silly, pointless thing to do. Am I saying we should never roll the dice, even a little, even once? Nope. I'm saying we need to own our choice and not blame others when the risk doesn't pay off.
RAH! RAH! RAH!
I've posted before about an insidious kind of writing frenemy, the clueless cheerleader, the super nice person (there are several on every forum) who supports every winge we have about writing. Why can't we...? And she's there to say (cue voiceover from Glenda the Good Witch) oh yes we can and it's beautiful and follow your heart and click your heels and you'll be in New York in no time. But we want to... And he will say of course you should and so do I and so did this writer a hundred years ago and agents just want to suck the life out of you anyway and I hate them even though I'm still querying them but I will probably self-publish because agents and editors are such ebil bastards. But they will not explain the pitfalls or caution us as to the risk or advise us to weigh the risk against the potential reward.
For the love of God, don't be this person. Consider the pain the other writer will feel when they send off that manuscript (with the big opening battle scene prologue that turns out to be a dream, followed by an immediate flashback to a scene depicting how the battle really happened with the story head-hopping between 37 main characters), licking the envelope (or perhaps the Enter key) with strains of "Wind Beneath My Wings" still playing in the back of their head, and dissolving into total identity meltdown when the books is (predictably) rejected for doing all those things we have all heard they probably shouldn't have done in the first place. Be mindful of the fact that it's someone else's risk, someone else's heart on the line, and mix cheerleading with a liberal dose of caveat. If we can't provide the explanation for why a practice is frowned upon and preferably some ideas for how to navigate the pitfalls, we probably don't know enough about the topic to be dishing out advice, let alone cheers of unequivocal validation.
Repeat it with me, my fellows. Own the risk. Own the rejection.
"...we probably don't know enough about the topic to be dishing out advice..."
ReplyDeleteeeks! i try to always be nice. and i like to encourage others, but i really try to emphasize in a nice way if i see something i think would be a problem with their writing. i don't really address such things in forums, more when critting. but i've probably given poor advice at some point in time. i think we all just try to help each other and do the best we can do when advising. i think there are a whole lot of crabby, narcisistic writers out there trying to push anyone without a master's degree off a cliff. i don't think that you have to be the world's foremost expert on everything to try to help. but i do agree that you need to not blindly pep pep pep, and talk someone into doing something that you really feel is a poor decision for their writing. because that's mean too.
Own the risk; own the rejection; own the rant; own the refusal, own acceptance of the risk, the rejection, the rant, the refusal, the acceptance. Uh-huh. Write it even if it's wrong; get it out of your system. Doing so is a learning experience.
ReplyDeleteWrite prologues to learn how to craft them well and so you learn when there's another way and so you can spot 'em as easily as a screening reader and so you can spot their strong points and shortcomings, to begin with.
Prologues recite backstory. Write tells. Writing a pure tell is as challenging as writing a pure show. Again, it's a learning experience. Write a tell so you can own it.
Write to learn how to craft well. No swinging for the fence on a first at-bat.
Write to discover voice. One thing voice is above all else, it's attitude. Reporting an attitude holder's (narrator, protagonist, main character, villain, nemesis, whatever) standing to a topic and subjective viewpoint and emotional state of mind will carry even a prologue.
Write all the so-called no-nos to get them out of your system and so you own them.
Hi, aspiring_x. (I like your handle, BTW. Sounds like a literary superhero.) I think it's a matter of balance, as you've pointed out, and personal opinion will always play a major role. My point is more about disclosure of risk over blind cheerleading. I don't actually think the cheerleaders are intentionally talking people into making poor choices -- or lets say risky choices. I think the cheerleaders want to feel better about making the same choices, so they encourage the same choices as others as a way of validating the decision. And again, it's every writer's choice to make. I'm just saying make the choices with open eyes and a willingness to accept the consequences, for good or bad.
ReplyDelete"Write all the so-called no-nos to get them out of your system and so you own them."
ReplyDeleteNot bad advice at all. And a nice way to turn the 'own them' concept in a slightly different but still applicable direction. Very helpful, John Jack. Tag team blogging. :)
Pick on me and Michael all you like, Margo. Actually, we didn't have the prologue in the first draft. We added it because preliminary feedback was that the reader needed to get to know the characters and setting a little bit before everything hit the fan in chapter 1.
ReplyDeleteWhat the "whether to take the risk" decision should come down to, IMHO, is what the story *needs*, not what the writer wants or thinks would be cool. Our "battle opening scene" ended up being the real opening scene because the viewpoint character there is the guy whose "Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time" moment sets the entire plot in motion, so we felt the reader needed to meet him and learn his motives and general MO as soon as possible.
Morning, SB. (Here anyway.) When I read what you and Michael are doing, I don't get fretful for you, for a number of reasons. I know from conversations from you that you two are well aware of the why's and wherefore's behind the cautions against these practices. I know you have both actively tried to counteract the potential problems associated with certain tachniques. I know you two are making reasoned, conscious choices. And a suspect that if it doesn't quite work out, if you get some rejections, you two would respond with rewrites rather than recrimination.
ReplyDeleteNo one does a rant like you, Margo. :)
ReplyDeleteI kind of feel like forums are a big experimental lab where people come and share experiences. Some people learn by watching others. Some people learn only by failing on their own.
I try to be encouraging while sharing my personal feelings on a matter. Some days, though, I feel like Shadow in American Gods. I just want to put my head down and do my own time.
Hi, L.G. I think the rant might be a leo thing. Others might be experts, but only leos can be fluent. (snicker)
ReplyDeleteI know that Shadow feeling. I have mentioned before that I had a professor that kept telling me to stop being Captain Save-A-Ho. So upon occasion I have to hang up my cape and let it be.
Bonus points for mentioning Shadow and my favorite book. You get a power-up and an extra life!
Oh, that "write pure 'no's" advice is great. Also, force yourself to write in extremes. Write a story that's description and monologue. Force yourself to write something that's pure stream-of-consciousness, no interaction. Write something that's all description and nothing spoken.
ReplyDeleteWrite on one extreme, then the other, and it helps you henceforth produce writing that's in the middle. For awhile, at least.
As I say that, I realize that I'm probably due for that kind of exercise, again, though I did draft a poem yesterday for the first time in a few years.
When I decided to keep the prologue in A Fistful of Fire (and ditch the epilogue—yes, it used to have an epilogue that ended on a note readers liked because it paralleled the beginning), it was with an awareness that:
1. Some readers think all prologues are bad.
2. Some readers love prologues.
3. Some readers won't like that the prologue's characters are all dead by the time of the novel.
Usually, though, I find that the prologue doesn't suit the story. In A Fistful of Fire, the prologue shows the tipping point moment for what created the narrator's life. So far, other prologues have just been "Isn't this cool?!"s, to which I have to answer myself, "Maybe" and erase it.
I wholeheartedly encourage people to write. I might ask someone if they've sought publication, but I'll leave it if they don't think they're ready.
I have to say, though, it's kinda creepy when people who know me encourage me to keep writing "because you're good at it" when, so far as I know, that person has never read a word I've written…
"Also, force yourself to write in extremes."
ReplyDeleteMore good advice.
I should stress, though, that prologues (much as I usually dislike them) were just an easy target for the risk-reward-rejection-recrimination rant. (Ignore the fact that I posted on the dangers of alliteration.) No one should feel they have to justify their prologues or anything else to me. The only justification, I think, is the *educated* choice. That's the only justification needed.
That being said, people should feel free to debate prologues here in the comments. I just didn't want anyone to think I'm jumping on their heads about their prologues.
What is weird about prologues is that when you read a lot of fantasy, you see them everywhere. You start thinking they're supposed to be there and it becomes natural to think of a story with one. I remember when I started, I'd often have whole stories in my head but no prologues.
ReplyDeleteThen I learned about the publishing industry's dislike and was all "Waaaaiiit, I don't *need* them? Awesome." I don't mind prologues as a reader, at all, but they don't come naturally to me as a writer.
Now, to the actual topic. That's a great rant, and I love the mantra. :D Will have to remember that, and the advice Jack and Carradee added. You guys have some terrific advice.
I think that when it comes to the publishing No-No, you have to give a hard look at what you have in your work and try, as rationnally as you can, to decide if they really enhance your story. Most of the time, we're indulging ourselves. I am, at least.
As for cheerleading (comment is getting looooong), well, I tend to be quite a cheerleader. As I learn more about the industry, though, I'll often remain silent in conversations in which others seek validation for a no-no. Or I'll sprinkle a "be careful" advice with "that's a cool idea" comments.
This is seriously one of my favorite posts by you Margo. No kidding, it's really fantastic because it says so much of what I feel all the time.
ReplyDeleteIt reminds me of people who insist on speeding whenever they drive and then get angry at the cop who tickets them because they "can't afford this freaking ticket!" as if they didn't understand the risks involved in breaking the law. The principle is the same - do it if you must, but understand the risks you are taking and own the consequences. The bonus is - sometimes it pays off. Sometimes you get to your destination early. Sometimes you nail a prologue that works perfectly within the story and an agent loves its outsanding, unique use.
And sometimes you get slapped with a big fat fine and end up in class learning how to be a better driver.
Off topic - can I just say THANK YOU for changing your comment settings to include "Name/URL" as an option for posting? I usually have to sign into people's blogs with my google account since being that I have a self-hosted site I can't sign in any other way. Thank you so much :-)
"As I learn more about the industry, though, I'll often remain silent in conversations in which others seek validation for a no-no. Or I'll sprinkle a "be careful" advice with "that's a cool idea" comments."
ReplyDeleteI just tend (and recommend) to stay away from topics I'm not very familiar with. Genres questions outside of adult spec fic and maybe romance. Questions about promotional techniques, usually, unless it's to point someone to a resource I found. There are plenty of other people with knowledgable advice on those topics. Upon occasion two people with a lot of background on a topic will disagree and debate, and there's often a lot to be learned from their exchange.
Hi ya, Margo,
ReplyDeleteNot to poach on your blog space or that, just it's an intellectual desert out there lately in online writing areanas. Spring break brings out all the wee twinky twills looking to decompress from school. And no one I know in person likes to discuss the arcana of creative writing.
Anyway, things are pretty intellectually lively hereabouts creative writing-wise.
Thing is, I'm avoiding commenting on your fiction samples. I could go either way, either comment or not, either comment favorably or insightfully. Still thinking about it. Some awkwardnesses that I don't know if it's just me or if they might ask for a mention.
Hi, Sommer.
ReplyDelete"This is seriously one of my favorite posts by you Margo. No kidding, it's really fantastic because it says so much of what I feel all the time."
Really? I was beginning to think I'd been out swatting flies with Buicks again.
"Off topic - can I just say THANK YOU for changing your comment settings to include "Name/URL" as an option for posting?"
LOL. I'm clueless about this stuff. The original settings weren't intentional, and I only changed them because someone emailed me to mention problems with posting comments. I changed the settings in hopes of solving that person's problem. It didn't. :( But I'm glad it turned out ot be helpful to someone.
"Not to poach on your blog space or that, just it's an intellectual desert out there lately in online writing areanas."
ReplyDeletePlease poach. I feel the same lack of engagement on my usual forums. I'd be going through withdrawls were it not for the comments here and a few good blogs to tide me over.
Feel free to comment on the samples if you'd like, here or privately to my email. Others have, and it's been appreciated. The email addy is on my profile page (link under my About Me blurb).
"I just tend (and recommend) to stay away from topics I'm not very familiar with."
ReplyDeleteYep. I read a lot of what goes on at the Bransforum, without posting much. Mostly, I'm well aware I'm a beginner writing-wise and don't feel confident giving too much advice. There are more than enough people with a better handle on the craft to fill in for me.
There is antoehr option. Just write a great, really short debut novel that sells like hotcakes. Once you become a besteller you can break all the "writing rules" you want.
ReplyDeleteWell, yeah, Matthew, if you want to do it the easy way. :) And twice on Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteThis is one of the best online discussions about writing I've read in a long time. Buicks, flies, what have you - there's a lot of food for thought here.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first came back into creative writing after a long hiatus, I did a lot of what I now think of as "stunt writing" - i.e., pursuing the rule break / gimmick / stunt, much like John Jack suggests. I found that many of the stunts I pulled just didn't work or were alienating. I don't mind alienating people, but you can only do so much of that to readers. Finally, I decided I could settle down and just produce stories.
That doesn't mean I'm going to follow all the rules now (heavens no). It does mean that if I'm breaking a rule, it will be deliberately and cunningly.
There's a great example of successful telling-not-showing over here:
"Arvies" by Adam-Troy Castro
Risky? Yes. Easy to reject? Probably. Brilliant? The Nebula Award committee thought so.
"deliberately and cunningly"
ReplyDeleteYes and double yes. ("I have a cunning plan!" Extra good brownie points for anyone who recognizes the line.) And thanks for the link, Elizabeth!
Baldrick!
ReplyDeleteYay! Sommer is THE professor of cunning for the day!
ReplyDelete*puts her cunning crown on*
ReplyDeleteI sort of cheated. It is easy to guess your hints when we share the same brain.
I'm suddenly feeling self-conscious, like my "I'm a newbie writer and am still trying things on to see what fits" blog posts on topics such as prologues are dead giveaways to my Never Been Published status. But at least I know where to turn for honest input!
ReplyDeleteHi, Tricia. Don't feel self-conscious. We all have to explore everything at some point. Advice is sometimes helpful, but it's usually getting in and trying things out that makes the big difference. Few aspects of writing (prologues included) are without their exceptions and exceptional examples of exceptions.
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